RE: ONT Re: Data Models, Ontologies, Logic
Dear Jon,
Let me give a partial answer to your question below.
Matthew West
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawbrey@oakland.edu]
> Sent: 28 May 2002 21:19
> To: Ontology
> Subject: ONT Re: Data Models, Ontologies, Logic
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> MW = Matthew West
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> MW: Yes, schema is one of the posher ways of talking about
> data models.
> Data model is the common term though, amongst most practitioners
> of the art, so it is probably worth getting used to it if you
> wish to communicate with those folk.
>
> Matthew,
>
> I 'was' one of those folk -- we just used other words in my
> millennium.
> My interest here is how to communicate with some folk beyond
> 'we' folk.
>
> This subject touches on issues dear to my heart,
> on which I have been working for quite a while.
> I'm a really slow learner, but I've put enough
> time in to figure out a couple of things here.
>
> If we ever get really serious about using a "logical looking
> language" (L^3)
> to describe or to "model" the real world, then we will start
> looking at the
> ways of those who are currently doing the best job of it,
> and, sad to say,
> that ain't many logicians of the current crop. So I will yield to the
> ways of those who are doing almost all of the real work here,
> if I can.
> That will take us beyond the Spheres of DBA's and La Cage Aux FOL's.
>
> Anyway, I did make an earnest plea to relax the jargon for a while.
> If it's jargon you want ... don't blame me this time.
>
> Let me repeat my "insight model" here, so at least one of us
> doesn't forget it:
>
> | It would also be a good idea if we stopped every now and
> then to think about
> | why we gather data and why we make up theories in the first
> place.
MW: In business at least we gather data to help us in making decisions.
In particular to establish where we are, so we can set a direction for
the future. We develop theories mostly to help us see into the future.
> We might
> | just find that there are more ways to think about this than
> we have been led
> | to believe, and we might just find better ways to talk
> about the real issues.
>
> Jon Awbrey
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