SUO: RE: RE: On the relevance of EXPRESS, EPISTLE, etc. to SUO -- RE: RE: RE: Some Procedural Suggestions
Dear Philip,
In EPISTLE we modestly claim that the EPISTLE Core Model can represent "life
the universe and everything" (well almost).
For some 8 years now I have regularly issued a challenge for people to try
to identify things it can't represent (provided you accept the 4D paradigm).
We know were some limits are, but it is quite unusual for anyone to find
them. The worst that has ever happened is I have learnt something.
Well that ought to do it ??
Regards
Matthew
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Jackson [mailto:phil.jackson@computer.org]
> Sent: 08 February 2001 12:55
> To: West, Matthew MR SSI-GREA-UK; Standard-Upper-Ontology (E-mail)
> Cc: pat hayes
> Subject: RE: RE: On the relevance of EXPRESS, EPISTLE, etc. to SUO --
> RE: RE: RE: Some Procedural Suggestions
>
>
> Dear Matthew (and Pat),
>
> First, using the Odysseus search page
> (http://odysseus.ieee.org/) I answered
> my request for more information about EXIST: I found your June 19 2000
> posting to SUO which included links to information about EPISTLE
> (http://www.stepcom.ncl.ac.uk/epistle) and the related IIDEAS
> effort at
> (http://www.pdtsolutions.co.uk/iideas/). Following these links at
> (http://www.pdtsolutions.co.uk/iideas/pwi/index.html) there
> are pointers to
> information about the EXIST language, dated May 2, 2000.
>
> Secondly, regarding your discussion, separately posted in a
> reply to Adam
> Pease, of the following "challenge concepts" proposed by Pat Hayes:
>
> > > > > an 'information-bearing object' (see my long comment in a
> > > > > recent message);
> > > > > a piece of a certain kind of cloth which was used in evidence
> > > > > in a trial;
> > > > > the color of that piece of cloth;
> > > > > the act of breaking an egg by hitting it on the side
> of a bowl;
> > > > > a style of dress used by a certain social class in
> > > > > 17th-century France;
> > > > > the shape of Marilyn Monroe's left ankle;
> > > > > the cause of the Concorde disaster;
> > > > > a dish (in the sense that Eggs Benedict is a dish, ie
> a something
> > > > > that could be a menu item; as opposed to any
> particular example of
> > > > > that dish, or the symbols on the menu describing it.)
>
> As I said, I found your discussion of these concepts very
> interesting -- the
> process of discussing how challenge concepts like these can
> be represented
> is very helpful, both in testing the representational power of an
> ontological framework, and in conveying information to others
> about the
> scope, content, philosophy, etc. of the framework.
>
> No doubt, there will be a lot more discussion in SUO regarding the
> representation of these particular concepts. However, when
> Pat originally
> posted this list of concepts, he wrote "If you need more, let
> me know". I
> hope that he (and others) will post more such concepts, to
> help further
> explore the possibilities for EPISTLE and other ontological
> frameworks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil Jackson
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