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Re: [oor-forum] Developing a standard for an ontologyregistry/repository




Thanks for the status check Todd, most useful for those who may want to know what is happening there, but dont have resources to allocate as yet

A fundamental question which may or may not be on your list of 'to do', is to clarify why questions pertaining to the the OOR effort , where the first O stands for Open, cannot be discussed on the open ontolog forum list where the IPR policy is strictly 'open'. but can be discussed on a list where IPR policy is 'not so open'

somehow that feels like a contradiction and it is a bit unclear

if it is open, then the IPR policy must be open too., and any future funding contribution would have to respect the opennes of the effort etc

or maybe has open not been sufficiently defined, or maybe I have missed it
 
because the answer to this questions seem to be needed to support the rationale for an OOR architecture,  requirements, and even 'partition the work' as you say

maybe you have an answer, or if you find one during the course of your interaction with others there, then let us know


cheers

PDM



On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Todd Schneider <tschneider@rayva.org> wrote:
John,

I've volunteered to assemble/inventory the list of 'things' the OOR has
done over
the past year in order to understand what we a) expect(ed) of an open
ontology repository,
b) have done, and c) identify what remains.

From this list, which will include initial requirements and use cases,
the expectation is
to be able a) gain consensus, b) start to fill in the gaps, and c) to
partition work in
order to realize an OOR.

Some of the capabilities or services that are needed or expected have
been identified.
Others have not. For instance, the 'explicit
generalization/specialization' may be part
of the 'mapping' capability already identified (but not completely
specified).

There will be a review and discussion of this 'list' at the 19 February
Ontolog meeting.
I will be emphasizing a spiral or evolutionary approach to the OOR to
support [our]
learning. That is, we'll learn what needs to be done and how it should
be done. So that
we'll start off with basic functionality and then start adding
capabilities. In doing so
we'll also provide a decoupling of services from the core/basic
functionality.

It would optimal if other repository efforts would contribute their
knowledge and
experiences.

Todd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oor-forum-bounces@ontolog.cim3.net
> [mailto:oor-forum-bounces@ontolog.cim3.net] On Behalf Of John F. Sowa
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:25 AM
> To: Obrst, Leo J.
> Cc: Jack Ring; OpenOntologyRepository-discussion;
> paola.dimaio@gmail.com; standard-upper-ontology@IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [oor-forum] Developing a standard for an
> ontologyregistry/repository
>
> Leo, Paola, Jack, et al.,
>
> LO> As John mentioned early on in his message, there is an Open
>  > Ontology Repository effort at Ontolog, which is an open community
>  > of practice. You might join and post to the ontolog OOR list.
>
> Yes, it is important not to split the efforts into two competing
> projects.  I agree that the basic work should be done in the OOR
> group and that the SUO can be used to develop an IEEE standard
> (if and when a standard seems appropriate).
>
> PDM> but 'ontology requirements for sharing and reusing them' are
>  > one thing, the 'project requirement for a repository/registry'
>  > is another
>
> Yes, but a registry/repository has always been considered
> essential for any system of sharing and reusing.  The two
> have been discussed together for ages upon ages.
>
> JR> I agree with your statements except for the precise meaning
>  > of 'requirements.' I sense that you use the term to mean more
>  > like 'post conditions for satisfaction' whereas most people
>  > (and majority of PM's) use the term to mean  the functions
>  > and features of an envisioned system regardless of the symptoms
>  > of the problematic situation.
>
> I used the term in the vague general sense of including everything
> that people usually include in the word 'requirements'.  The exact
> rules for what should be included or excluded can be determined
> and revised as people start putting things in the list.
>
> In any case, this discussion should be moved to the OOR list,
> as Leo suggested.  My primary concern, as I have stated all along,
> is that a fundamental requirement is that the ontologies in the
> repository should have explicit generalization/specialization
> links.  That makes it into a hierarchy (partial ordering), which
> is a subset of the lattice of theories.
>
> John
>
>
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