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Re: The world may fundamentally be inexplicable



Bill wrote:

''If we were to assume that each such self-consistent context can in some sense be captured by a theory (else it would not be self-consistent), but that no theory can subsume all such contexts (else they would not be mutually inconsistent), then the multiverse would be the physical realization of John’s lattice-of-theories proposal. The lattice’s top-level axioms would accordingly correspond to those physical laws shared across all universes/worlds/contexts, and in both cases their cardinality is likely to fall in a range between few and none.

I beg your indulgence in posting this note to the SUO forum, as I don’t seem able to (in this universe, at least).''


Deal Bill,
 
 Under the scope of global ontology (UFO) falls the most fundamental issues of existence, including if:
1. there are many worlds or just one, and what are there (or its, if one) generic composition and structure;
2. there are any limits, or any boundary of their time duration and  space extension.  
 
Traditionally, the universe has been viewed from two polar perspectives: either its is as a universe or a pluriverse, or is a one (the complete totality of entities) or a many (a plurality of entities organized as a multitude of worlds). 
 
To find the unity, pattern, or the integrity laws in the order and relationships of things, to unify all real phenomena under a few universal laws is the final goal of global ontology like UFO.
 
The plurality we sense, while the unity we understand. So at the surface, reality is a multitude of individual entities organized as material systems, collections, and groups of bodies with respect to causal relationships. It may include different orders of existence and degrees of being; a plurality of worlds can succeed each other or exist at the same time like parallel words.
 
Whatever the modes and forms of existence, there is the fundamental reality consisting in the unity of universal forces related together by mutual convertibility as much as the unity of material forces: gravity, electromagnetism, nuclear forces, and weak interactions. The physical universe is the largest collection of matter and energy devoid of a boundary, where all pieces of the universe from the least elemental bodies to the greatest systems of masses and energy are tied up by causal mechanisms.
But at the highest degree of being is the universe as the whole being of physical entites and intelligences being at various degrees of being and levels of development or decay (presingular or postsingular). Thus to discover the ontological principles whereby all entities are ordered in one single universe, the whole cosmic system of interrelated matter, energy and information (intelligencies), is the main objective of UFO, which assumptions schematically can look as follows:
 
I. There is the world, reality, the universe, Entity, Thing, Being, the sum total of things or entities or beings, aggregated as subworlds, groups, collections, and systems of ontological kinds and individuals;
II. There are four fundamental classes of Entity (or Thing) [Substance, State, Change, and Relationship], in which the mind (or intelligent machines) comprehends (or represents and reasons over) reality, its basic aspects, features and dynamic entity relationships: .
III. There are few universal entity classes, a number of entity types and a multitude of individual entities organized as systems of matter, energy or intelligences.
 
This allow you formally express Reality by world variable W (the set of all possible world states), its dynamics or change via the transformation function F, as in a circular self-mapping equation W = F(W). Having the world equation, move to the world's constituents:
1. Substance space (the set of all possible substances) indicated by a
substantial class variable (O);
2. State space (the set of all possible states represented by a state variable (S);
3. Change space (the set of all possible changes) symbolized by variable (C);
4. Relation space (R), the set of all possible contraints and laws, constructed in the simplest binary case as the Cartesion product of the entity spaces (O, S, C, R) x (O, S, C, R).
You thus produce  the formalism for the UFO capable to cover the whole gamut of high level notions of theoretical sciences and upper ontologies.   
 
To check up the validity of the assumptions take the perspective of the universe as the totality of material individuals.
 
Introduce a system as a collection of matter bounded by other objects (note a boundary comes from outside, like in a hole, never from inside), its state, change or dynamics in time with {many, one}-{many, one) transformation modes, and causal relations or restraints (laws of changes).
For discrete quantities enter probabily distributions of states P(S), then a stochastic process of change can be written by a matrix of change probabilities. A system's state space is constructed like this: all the values (results) of all possible measurements (or observations) of all the system's properties (attributes or dimensions) given at a certain time make up its state, while the collection of all possible states of the system make up its state space. The number of distinct states constitutes the size of the state space, which is its change (or variety in Cybernetics). The state of the system (or the values of the properties or attributes) is (are) subject to the process of changes spontaneously or under actions of other systems. But in the couse of the changes of states, the values are liable to restrictions imposed by causal, spatial, temporal relationsips (the laws and constraints of reality).
Such postulates and science-based formalism may be the ontological basics of any science, theoretical physics and cosmology or general information sciences or second-order cybernetics or mathematics of dynamic systems as well as all sorts of logical formalisms, formal classifications, lattices of theories, etc. 
 
Kind regards,
Azamat Abdoullaev
----- Original Message -----
To: Azamat
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: The world may fundamentally be inexplicable

Dear Azamat,

 

Thank you for your personal reply, as my note unaccountably did not post to the SUO forum.

 

To begin by clarifying a terminological issue: The universe can be defined as the totality of all that exists, admitting of no plural form. This, however, is not the convention in modern physics, which tosses universes about with gay abandon (see, e.g., Max Tegmark’s 2003 Scientific American cover story at http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000F1EDD-B48A-1E90-8EA5809EC5880000). Instead, physicists tend to refer to the totality of all that exists – including the totality of all existing universes – as the “multiverse.”

 

Why the distinction? Because progress in the physical sciences presupposes the definition/demarcation of a context within which particular physical principles hold sway – where space has three (large) dimensions and time one, where entropy always increases and energy is always conserved, or where (to choose a current focus of interest on the forum) processes are more fundamental than objects. In the past, when it was assumed that there could be only one such context, it made sense to equate it with the totality of all that exists; hence, both came to be called by the single name “universe.” Increasingly, though, physics is coming to view these two usages as only coincidentally coupled at best, positing rather that there might be multiple self-consistent (and mutually inconsistent) such contexts: “universes” with more than three large spatial dimensions, for instance (although there seems to be a preference for three or seven -- see Lisa Randall’s 2005 Seed article at <http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2005/10/3d_is_our_cosmic_destiny.php>), or more than one time dimension; universes where entropy runs backward and things get better with age; even universes where object takes precedence over process, or where thirteen is not prime (though that one’s pushing it).

 

Whether we choose to call each of these individual self-consistent contexts a “universe” and the totality of them a “multiverse,” or reserve the term “universe” for the totality, and refer to each individual context as a “world” (to coin another term that used to be, but no longer is conflated with the totality of all that exists), does not affect the main point (the one advanced by Lawrence Krauss and cited by John Sowa), which is that all such contexts might not be “governed by the same fundamental laws” -- unless we define the term “fundamental” so broadly as to be all but vacuous.

 

If we were to assume that each such self-consistent context can in some sense be captured by a theory (else it would not be self-consistent), but that no theory can subsume all such contexts (else they would not be mutually inconsistent), then the multiverse would be the physical realization of John’s lattice-of-theories proposal. The lattice’s top-level axioms would accordingly correspond to those physical laws shared across all universes/worlds/contexts, and in both cases their cardinality is likely to fall in a range between few and none.

 

I beg your indulgence in posting this note to the SUO forum, as I don’t seem able to (in this universe, at least).

 

Vsego khoroshego,

Bill

 

Bill DeSmedt

Principal Knowledge Engineer

Concurrent Technologies Corporation

desmedtw@ctc.com

(814) 269-2761


From: Azamat [mailto:abdoul@cytanet.com.cy]
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:12 AM
To: DeSmedt, William; standard-upper-ontology@IEEE.ORG; cg@CS.UAH.EDU
Subject: Re: The world may fundamentally be inexplicable

 

William,

 

The universe or reality is the greatest unboundeded but single entity; the sum, totality and aggregation of things diversified into a multitude of collections of subworlds with their specific constraints and boundaries; and all governed by the same fundamental laws. Accordingly, the logic of reality is ultimately one, there can not be many logics of the things. Although you can allow many personal perspectives, and particular truths, special things and meanings, the global logic of reality (what i call UFO) is single universal consistent system relied on few ontological classes [as an example, see USECS, the lattice of entity classes]. 

 

The crucial fact that the universe (as a whole and unity) consists of many worlds is the backbone of modern cosmology. This truth is as old as the following ontological statements:
The universe  consists of many worlds. There is an infinite number of worlds of different sizes, spaced at different distances from each other, inhabited or noninhabited. In some worlds there is no Sun and Moon, in others they are larger than in our world, and in others more numerous. In some parts there are more worlds, in others fewer; in some parts they are arising (growing), in others failing (decreasing or destroying by collision with one another). There are some
worlds devoid of living creatures or plants or any moisture.

This told with the same great mind who predicted that all matter is made up of various indivisible elements, atoms, distinguished by size, shape, and mass. 

 

All good wishes,

 

Azamat Abdoullaev

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:06 PM

Subject: RE: The world may fundamentally be inexplicable

 

Azamat,

 

I think John’s earlier point in this thread may have gotten obscured in the subsequent discussion – namely that our best current physical theories cannot rule out the possibility that the universe as a whole – including all its laws, implicit hierarchies of being, what have you – may be a fundamentally arbitrary phenomenon. One of the primary embarrassments of string theory is its inability to constrain the number of alternative universes that can be generated from its core premises, and string theory is hardly alone in this (see Lisa Randal’s recent Warped Passages)..

 

Given a plethora of universes each with its own physical laws, is it so much of a stretch to posit a plethora of logics? (Think of that moment in Hofstadter’s Goedel, Escher, Bach, where the “Subjunc-TV” is tuned to a universe in which 13 is not a prime number.) Roger Brown may have been right after all when he characterized all higher-level ontologies as “achievements of the imagination” (“How Shall a Thing be Called?” Psychological Review, 1958, 65, 14-21).

 

Wit best wishes to all for a Happy New Year,

Bill

 

Bill DeSmedt

Principal Knowledge Engineer

Concurrent Technologies Corporation

desmedtw@ctc.com

(814) 269-2761


From: standard-upper-ontology@IEEE.ORG [mailto:standard-upper-ontology@IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Azamat
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:31 AM
To: brandon@COMP.LEEDS.AC.UK; standard-upper-ontology@IEEE.ORG; cg@CS.UAH.EDU
Subject: Re: The world may fundamentally be inexplicable

 

Right you are, Brandon,

 

This is another case of the peculiarity of the human mind, so gladenning John: if you don't see/follow something, then it doesn't exist, or 'fundamentally inexplicable', while this is just accidentally unaccountable, and most depends on the quality of our theories.

 

The universe is a deep dark secret, mysterious and mystifying to human minds. And the fundamental challenge to the human mind is to provide a universal language that explains in noncryprical terms how this unbounded environment is made of, what populates it, how it changes, how its basic constituents related, etc. And this is all the legal responsibility of real ontology. 

 

The main reason why Mother-Nature endowed us, human species, with intelligence is

to Know Ourselves through Knowing Reality and to Know Reality through Knowing Ourselves.

 

All good wishes,

Azamat

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Brandon Bennett" <brandon@COMP.LEEDS.AC.UK>

To: "John F. Sowa" <sowa@BESTWEB.NET>

Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:24 PM

Subject: Re: The world may fundamentally be inexplicable

 

> On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 13:38 -0500, John F. Sowa wrote:
>
>> Summary:  Forget the elusive search for an ultimate unified
>> ontology because (a) it might not exist, (b) even if it
>> did exist, it's not likely to be found for at least another
>> century or so,
>
> Well it certainly won't be found if nobody even wants to look
> for it.
> Just because something is very difficult doesn't mean it is not
> worth trying.
>
> Happy New Year
> Brandon
>
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