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Re: lattice of ontology



John wrote:
''This sounds like a pretty thorough ontology.  Seems to me what is needed is
the partial order relation, a way to determine joins and meets, and maybe
algorithims for upward and downward movements.''
 
John,
pardon me with the delayed answer, somehow I missed your brief but interesting comments finding them in the SUO archive. Maybe because we all are becoming accustomed to the thinking that the SUO is a pipe dream and better to leave behind the listing and all associated with it.
 
Concerning the matter. You I are partly right and partly wrong, as we all humans usually are in our conclusions and actions.
Actually, for accomplishing the high goals here aimed we need a VERY THOROUGH ONTOLOGY asking for a thoroughgoing research of human knowledge. To demonstrate that the task in principle is possible, we proposed a common world knowledge classification system titled as the USECS (Unified Standard Entity Classification System). Now anybody keeping the SUO commitments and having a broadband connection may currently download the system by visiting the sites: http://www.eis.com.cy or http://www.encyclopedic-intelligence (please note that the other product, USECS&UFO is password-protected).This notice was posted before, but since we habit to ignore first messages, i repeat it again. 
The USECS (or World Directory of Things) is  presented as a lattice-ordered structure of entities limited by the universal upper bound Entity, Thing, or Being and the universal lower bound, Nonentity, Nothing, or Nonbeing. All the world entities are arranged into two distinguishing levels, generic classes of things (substance, state, change, and relation taken in general, as mass nouns) and specific classes of things (objects, properties, events, and specific connections, as count nouns). Your can navigate it like as a distributive lattice of things of the finite length n by ascending from the bottom element of Nothing (or some specific term)  to the top element in several steps, or vice versa, by descending from general things to special meanings.   
 
The USECS also suggests the meaningful Web search by explaining the senses of search words or topics, namely, what sort of entity they represent and how the terms are featured in the common classification of semantic classes. Representing the comprehensive hierarchy of entities and relationships, it identifies all the basic words in natural language with their major meanings, semantic lines of descent, and offspring. Equipped with the meaning of the search word or the structure of the search subject or topic, you can perform more relevant and coherent online quest for data, facts, or knowledge. Important point, unlike most comprehenive dictionaries and encyclopedias, all the meanings of terms in USECS follow 'a standard formula of defining', having, 'a rigid pattern of definition'.
 
Some hints how to search.
You can apply either the Find Dialog Box or the Search PDF Window. Pressing Ctrl + F (Windows) or Command + F (Mac OS) opens the Find toolbar. Pressing Shift + Ctrl + F or Shift + Command + F (Mac OS) opens the Search PDF Window (for more details, see Adobe Essentials, search for words in a PDF document). The whole procedure asks for the following simple steps. Click the button Search; set a search preference, basic search options or advanced search options while looking for central senses and primary meanings employ a case-sensitive and whole words only options. CAPITALIZE your search, write in capital letters, in case you are looking for general things and classes such as ENTITY, PROCESS, SUBSTANCE, OBJECT, CHANGE, ACTION, RELATION, MATTER, MATERIAL, CAUSE, BEING, EVENT, LIFE, ANIMAL, HUMAN, PERSON; or Science, Mathematics, Language, etc.
While searching on a topic or subject, you get as the results list the outlines or summary of the subject: its central meaning, basic concepts and principles, classification, content, and relationships with other subjects.
When looking for key words, you will get their basic senses, semantic relatives and family lines traced as deep as from the universal term of entity, like
DATABASE < INFORMATION < MESSAGE < COMMUNICATION < SOCIAL RELATION < RELATION < ENTITY; or
SEARCH ENGINE < COMPUTER PROGRAMM < SOFTWARE PROGRAM < COMPUTER CODE < CODING SYSTEM < WRITING < WRITTEN COMMUNICATION < COMMUNICATION < RELATION < ENTITY. 
Crucially, having the knowledge product, you can create domain ontologies in any field of knowledge, kind of activity, or sort of practice. There are use cases how to put up generic ontologies in the fields of Medicine, Business (Commerce), and the World Countries.
 
All the best,
To all Christian-minded, Merry Christmas
Azamat Abdoullaev
 
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 10:45:53PM +0200, Azamat wrote:
> John wrote:
> ''In a previous note, I compared it to the integers, but that led to too
> many confusing associations.  Therefore, I'll give another analogy:  the
> coordinates of latitude and longitude on the earth.''
>
> In making a poem, ''the command of metaphor is the mark of genius'', and I
> know here nobody who can overpass John in this ability. But we are trying
> to make the science asking for a strict language and precise description
> and prediction.
>
> There is the world and its abstract, ontological representation,
> intermediated with mathematical theories and logical formalisms and
> theoretical sciences, all operating such conceptual tools as models and
> schemas, diagrams and graphs, theoretical models and generic theories, and
> all distinguished by the definiteness of the sense and scope of the
> conceptual representations. Depending on the starting point of analysis of
> thing, from abstract structures to factual realities, or vice versa, we
> choose either semiotic or ontological interpretations along the general
> way: The Real World < Ontology < Mathematics < Logic < Theoretical Science
> < Empirical Science < Engineering and Technology < Applications.
>
> We are not at opposite poles. It is plain that you are looking for some
> sort of an open-ended reference frame for theories to be functioning  like
> as a general context for determining the meaning of a construct, or the
> space-time frame for measuring the position of a physical object. Extending
> your analogy of the globe grid, to determine the location of some place on
> the Earth's surface, your need the Poles (North and South), the prime
> meridian (at Greenwich) and the prime parallel (the Equator). So what all


Sorry to jump into the middle of this, I may have missed something in
previous messages, but here goes: 

It's not clear to me that John is looking for a "reference frame" in this
sense.  A lattice  only needs to be a poset with meet and join.  I.e., it
needs a sense of direction, and ... (but I don't want to push this
metaphore to the limit (pun intended)).

Somehow the following annecdote seems relevant:  I was once (long long ago)
at an after hours seminar given by E.T. Bell on some aspect of number
theory.  Prof. Bell had a minor reputation as a science fiction writer as
well as a mathematician.  One of the grad students asked him "Do the
Martians know about prime numbers?"  After a moment, Prof. Bell answered --
"They certainly have radar, but I doubt that they have prime numbers."


> the constructs, generic, specific and particular, require is the Entity
> Reference Frame in which all things are located as much as the space-time
> continuum determines all the physical events.
> At the first place, it is required to put up a comprehensive lattice of the
> classes of entities and relationships, logically followed with a lattice of
> constructs (concepts, predicates or theories) and well-founded with a
> consistent set of ontological, factual and semantic axioms.

This sounds like a pretty thorough ontology.  Seems to me what is needed is
the partial order relation, a way to determine joins and meets, and maybe
algorithims for upward and downward movements.

>
> Regards,
> Azamat
>
[snip]

Best,

John Velman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Azamat" <abdoul@CYTANET.COM.CY>
To: "John F. Sowa" <sowa@BESTWEB.NET>; <standard-upper-ontology@listserv.ieee.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: lattice of ontology

> John wrote:
> ''In a previous note, I compared it to the integers, but that led to too
> many confusing associations.  Therefore, I'll give another analogy:  the
> coordinates of latitude and longitude on the earth.''
>
> In making a poem, ''the command of metaphor is the mark of genius'', and I
> know here nobody who can overpass John in this ability. But we are trying to
> make the science asking for a strict language and precise description and
> prediction.
>
> There is the world and its abstract, ontological representation,
> intermediated with mathematical theories and logical formalisms and
> theoretical sciences, all operating such conceptual tools as models and
> schemas, diagrams and graphs, theoretical models and generic theories, and
> all distinguished by the definiteness of the sense and scope of the
> conceptual representations. Depending on the starting point of analysis of
> thing, from abstract structures to factual realities, or vice versa, we
> choose either semiotic or ontological interpretations along the general way:
> The Real World < Ontology < Mathematics < Logic < Theoretical Science <
> Empirical Science < Engineering and Technology < Applications.
>
> We are not at opposite poles. It is plain that you are looking for some sort
> of an open-ended reference frame for theories to be functioning  like as a
> general context for determining the meaning of a construct, or the
> space-time frame for measuring the position of a physical object. Extending
> your analogy of the globe grid, to determine the location of some place on
> the Earth's surface, your need the Poles (North and South), the prime
> meridian (at Greenwich) and the prime parallel (the Equator). So what all
> the constructs, generic, specific and particular, require is the Entity
> Reference Frame in which all things are located as much as the space-time
> continuum determines all the physical events.
> At the first place, it is required to put up a comprehensive lattice of the
> classes of entities and relationships, logically followed with a lattice of
> constructs (concepts, predicates or theories) and well-founded with a
> consistent set of ontological, factual and semantic axioms.
>
> Regards,
> Azamat
>
> PS: Usually I read all your references, no need to remind. For the last one
> I have a suggestion: the notion of 'knowledge soup' sounds rather
> oximoronic, may be better to use 'data or information soup'.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Azamat" <
abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
> To: "Azamat" <
abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 5:16 PM
> Subject: Fw: lattice of ontology
>
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John F. Sowa" <
sowa@BESTWEB.NET>
>> To: "'SUO WG'" <
standard-upper-ontology@listserv.ieee.org>
>> Cc: <
abdoul@CYTANET.COM.CY>; "psp" <psp@ontologystream.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: lattice of ontology
>>
>>
>>>I moved this discussion to SUO list.
>>>
>>> AA> As a matter of fact, there are several levels
>>> > of the conceptual representations: a framework, or
>>> > generic theory modeling the properties and relationships
>>> > of all things of a given domain (as Maxwell equations);
>>> > a specific theory or theoretical model representing
>>> > some features of some things of a given domain (like
>>> > the accounts of specific physical effects); a diagram
>>> > or graph sketching the composition and structure of
>>> > a thing of a given domain; and a schema just listing
>>> > the specific properties of a thing in a given domain.
>>>
>>> The number of levels and ways of conceiving things are
>>> open-ended.  And the lattice of theories is just one tiny
>>> piece of a very, very big puzzle.  (And when I say that
>>> an infinite lattice is a tiny piece, you must realize
>>> that the whole puzzle must be very big indeed.)
>>>
>>> In a previous note, I compared it to the integers, but that
>>> led to too many confusing associations.  Therefore, I'll
>>> give another analogy:  the coordinates of latitude and
>>> longitude on the earth.
>>>
>>>  1. Some places, such as the clock in Grand Central Terminal,
>>>     are very busy with lots of people coming and going all
>>>     the time.
>>>
>>>  2. Other places, such as the North Pole and South Pole are
>>>     important reference points, but almost nobody ever goes
>>>     there.
>>>
>>>  3. And the great majority of the places are in open ocean,
>>>     where people occasionally pass through, but nobody ever
>>>     builds a home there.
>>>
>>>  4. Like the geographical coordinates, the lattice makes no
>>>     value judgments.  It doesn't say that one place is better
>>>     or worse than any other.  The only thing it does is to show
>>>     how one place is related to its neighbors and to other
>>>     places that are far away.
>>>
>>>  5. The four theory revision operators are like directions:
>>>     move N, move S, move E, move W.  And the analogy operator
>>>     is like an airplane flight that suddenly picks you up in
>>>     one place and deposits you in another place far, far away.
>>>     But like an airplane schedule, the lattice doesn't tell you
>>>     why or whether you should go one place rather than another.
>>>
>>>  6. Furthermore, having a system of coordinates does not magically
>>>     give you a way of determining the coordinates of any given
>>>     point.  After the modern system of latitude and longitude was
>>>     invented, it took many years before even a rough approximation
>>>     to latitude could be computed, and it took centuries before
>>>     the modern GPS system became available.  Yet some people such
>>>     as the Polynesian islanders were able to navigate thousands
>>>     of miles of open ocean without any such system and without
>>>     any instruments.
>>>
>>>  7. But like any analogy, you can't push it too far.  Especially
>>>     because the earth is finite, but the lattice is infinite.
>>>
>>> Please remember point #6:  people have discovered many brilliant
>>> theories without any coordinate system whatever, but having a GPS-
>>> like method for specifying the position of theories could be useful,
>>> but it's not magic.
>>>
>>> For further information, please reread the tutorial on theories,
>>> especially Section 1, which explains the difference between a
>>> theory, a model, and the world:
>>>
>>>   
http://www.jfsowa.com/logic/theories.htm
>>>
>>> Also remember that the lattice is only a small piece of a much
>>> bigger puzzle.  A GPS device might tell you that you're close
>>> to Mt. Everest, but it won't help you climb it.
>>>
>>> John Sowa
>>
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