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Dear
Bob,
Sorry it has
taken me so long to reply. Just been busy.
I have removed
the note as you suggested. Please see the website for the updated version.
Please let me and Jim know if this meets your objections.
Matthew West
Streamline Business Information Architect for
Supply Chain Management
Shell Information Technology International
Limited
Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
Tel: +44 20 7934
4490 Mobile: +44 7796 336538
Email: matthew.west@shell.com
Internet: http://www.shell.com
http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/
Matthew,
In reviewing the language below (5.1
Stage 1 -Approval) it occurs to me that my objection could be resolved if the
"Note" is removed and no reference is made to what is or is not
approved. That puts the responsibility directly on the chair without
canonizing any list of approved motions. It prevents the chair from
claiming that whatever the outcome of the SUMO vote, it was approved without
objection by its inclusion in this document. It also removes this
document from further debate about the SUMO's
status.
Bob
Note: The SUMO enjoys the same status as the
other documents because it was included in John Sowa's motion which did
pass. It has been claimed (after many denials) that the SUMO has some
special status. This is the reason I do not want it to appear that it
passed independently by the adoption of Motion #2. It failed.
There is also the point that the chair should count votes properly regardless
of what did or did not pass.
rgs
Robert Spillers wrote:
Matthew,
Thank you for the information.
In the
document to which you refer http://suo.ieee.org/SUO/SUO-Procedures/Documents/SUO-Development-GuidelinesV1Final.txt
at :
5.1 Stage 1 –Approval
...
If the motion is passed the work becomes authorised by the
Standard Upper Ontology Working Group.
Note: The motions for existing starter documents are
considered here to be Approval motions.
The Standard Upper Ontology Working Group Chair shall
maintain a publicly available and numbered list of motions
that pass as resolutions of the Standard Upper Ontology
Working Group.
I interpret this to mean that the list of
documents on the SUO web site http://suo.ieee.org/SUO/SUO-Procedures/documents.html
under
the heading Resolutions ( http://suo.ieee.org/SUO/resolutions.html ) are the "list of motions that pass as
resolutions of the Standard Upper OntologyWorking Group" mentioned
above. If so, then I do object.
The text quoted above links
these documents and categorizes the June 2003 SUMO motion a passed and
approved motion. It failed. If I am misinterpreting your
meaning, please advise me how.
One way to handle this is to simply
not list the SUMO motion as approved or alternatively note in the listing
that the result of the vote is in dispute and the motion's final status will
be posted when the dispute is
resolved.
Bob
Bob
West, Matthew R
SITI-ITABEI wrote:
Dear
Bob,
I
understand your objection to that, but that is not what is being asked
here.
It is
perhaps a littel confusing that Jim give the link to the page on which the
procedures
documents
can be found rather than the document itself. The document can be found
at
for a text
version or:
for a pdf
version.
SUMO is not
mentioned in either of them.
Matthew West
Streamline Business Information Architect
for Supply Chain Management
Shell Information Technology International
Limited
Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
Tel: +44 20
7934 4490 Mobile: +44 7796 336538
Email: matthew.west@shell.com
Internet:
http://www.shell.com
http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/
Mathew,
I object to the inclusion of
the June 2003 SUMO motion (Motion #2 on the referenced site) as an
adopted motion. The motion failed.
An acceptable
change would be to remove this motion from the list of adopted
motions. As you know, I am pursuing this matter through the IEEE
channels. These processes move
slowly.
Bob
West, Matthew R SITI-ITABEI wrote:
Dear Bob,
Could you indicate please what changes I would need to make to the document to overcome
your objection?
Matthew West
Streamline Business Information Architect for Supply Chain Management
Shell Information Technology International Limited
Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
Tel: +44 20 7934 4490 Mobile: +44 7796 336538
Email: matthew.west@shell.com
Internet: http://www.shell.com
http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Spillers [mailto:skydog@PACBELL.NET]
Sent: 25 May 2004 16:48
To: jim.s3@JUNO.COM; SUO
Subject: SUO: Final Procedures Documents
Jim,
You wrote:
I don't see where you are refering to. What URL is it at?
I am referring to the document
http://suo.ieee.org/SUO/SUO-Procedures/documents.html
which is the document you referenced in your email of 05/23/04, which
asked:
Are there any objections to this version of the
referenced procedures document.
Yes, I object.
Bob
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