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SUO: Re: Re: Monosemy, Semantics, and Natural Language




John,
A great reply about the Semiotics ! 
And about the third part of it (Pragmatics) too .
>Even if everybody recognizes it as saying 30
> degrees Celcius, one person may consider it warm,
> another may consider it normal running temperature
> for that particular device, and a third may have
> no idea whether 30 C is good, bad, or indifferent.

Leonid
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Leonid Ototsky - http://ototsky.mgn.ru,
Chief Specialist in IT,
Magnitogorsk Iron&Steel Works (MMK- www.mmk.ru),
Russia
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John F. Sowa" <sowa@bestweb.net>
To: "Danny Ayers" <danny666@virgilio.it>
Cc: <cg@cs.uah.edu>; <standard-upper-ontology@ieee.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 7:08 AM
Subject: SUO: Re: Monosemy, Semantics, and Natural Language


> 
> Danny,
> 
> Instead of using the terms "word" or "concept",
> I would prefer to talk more broadly about "signs".
> 
> Every word or concept is a sign, but so are many
> manifestations such as smoke (which "means" fire)
> or a weather vane (which indicates the direction
> of the wind).  There are an enormous number of
> different kinds of signs, and they can have
> different meanings to different interpreters.
> 
> A farmer, for example, can interpret the signs
> of wind, weather, and nature with much greater
> depth and understanding than a city dweller.
> 
> Or consider a lecture at a conference to a
> varied audience.  Every listener has a different
> range of experience and a different way of
> interpreting the same words and sentences.
> Some may have less understanding of the subject
> matter than the speaker, and some may have a
> deeper understanding.  It is highly unlikely
> that any two people in the room will have
> exactly the same interpretation in all respects.
> 
> DA> For a fairly minimal case, consider a little
>  > thermometer attached to a I/O card on a computer.
>  > This computer is networked. Calls may come from
>  > elsewhere on the network - the query "temperature?"
>  > will return a value. The original (human) users of
>  > the system used the Fahrenheit scale, then they
>  > changed to Celsius. For them there may have been
>  > meaning drift - for the machine, none. How does
>  > such a system fit in the dynamic world of meaning?
> 
> The sign that comes back is a token of a given type.
> That token may be interpreted in many different
> ways.  > 
> John
>