Re: P&P: Fw: SUO: MSO ballot canceled due to new IEEE voting rules
Jim,
Why should voting rights be any different as a result of this?
This has always been the correct way to count votes in the SUO because
it is a requirement of the NY State Not-or-Profit Law. It was affirmed
by the IEEE-SA Board of Governors in a unanimous ruling in November 2001
(affirming the IEEE legal counsel's opinion on this subject) and was
reaffirmed by the IEEE By-Laws in November 2003. This rule was in
effect when the SUMO motion was voted on and failed in the summer of
2001 and again when the SUMO was voted on and failed in the summer of
2003.
Also, why cancel the MSO vote? It seemed to me the IEEE communication
was clear about how votes are counted, what other education do you think
is necessary?
Bob
jim.s3@juno.com wrote:
>Matthew (Chair) and SUO P&P Group,
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> Given this new IEEE rule for email votes, request you review the
>current SUO rule for retaining voting rights.
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>Jim Schoening
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>--------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: jim.s3@juno.com
>To: standard-upper-ontology@ieee.org
>Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:06:53 GMT
>Subject: SUO: MSO ballot canceled due to new IEEE voting rules
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>SUO Voting Members,
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> Below is an IEEE announcement of how email votes should now be
>counted.
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> The rule is 'Majority of all voting members,' which equates to
>Yes > (No + ABSTAIN + Non-votes).
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> The rule applies immediately to new votes, but not prior votes.
>I asked an IEEE rep who said it even applies to a vote in process.
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> As such, I feel I must cancel the current MSO vote until we can
>sort this out and educate all voters to the new rules.
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> I believe this new rule will work fine, but only if all voting
>members take the time to determine their position and cast a vote. As
>such, I will ask the SUO P&P group to take another look at the SUO rules
>for retaining voting rights. If anyone wants to join this group,
> send the message: subscribe suo-policies
> to the address majordomo@ieee.org
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> Incidently, for in-person meetings, IEEE clarified the voting
>rule to be Yes > No, given a quorum.
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>Jim Schoening
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: d.ringle@IEEE.ORG [mailto:d.ringle@IEEE.ORG]
>Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 2:03 PM
>To: STDS-WG-CHAIRS@listserv.ieee.org
>Subject: Message from IEEE-SA Standards Board Chair on Voting Rules
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>IEEE Sponsors:
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>I would like to inform you of two IEEE Bylaw changes that were approved
>by
>the IEEE Board of Directors in November 2003. Those changes, which are at
>the highest level of IEEE procedures and therefore supercede IEEE
>Standards
>Sponsor and Working Group procedures, affect the IEEE-SA Standards Board
>and all other IEEE Standards-developing groups (such as sponsors and
>working groups).
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>The first change concerns how abstentions are considered in any vote held
>at a face-to-face meeting or during a teleconference. The rules now state
>that abstentions no longer count toward the total number needed to
>approve
>or disapprove an action. What is needed is a majority of the votes cast,
>either approve or disapprove, to determine a decision. This change is
>given
>in IEEE Bylaw I-300.4 (1).
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>The second change covers votes taken via email. Any email ballot needs to
>receive approval from a majority of voting members (all official members
>of
>your group) to allow an action to be taken. It should be noted that
>unofficial actions, such as straw polls, do not need to follow this rule.
>This change is contained in IEEE Bylaw I-300.4 (4).
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>You can read these two bylaw changes here:
>http://www.ieee.org/portal/index.jsp?pageID=corp_level1&path=about/whatis
>/by
>laws&file=i-300.xml&xsl=generic.xsl
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>These changes are now the official rules, and you should begin to follow
>them immediately. Any previous actions taken are not affected by these
>rules. Please ensure that your Sponsor or Working Group procedures are
>not
>in conflict with these revised Bylaws. Remember that you can default to
>the
>IEEE Bylaws as well.
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>If you have any questions concerning these new rules, please contact Mary
>Lynne Nielsen (m.nielsen@ieee.org) or Dave Ringle (d.ringle@ieee.org.)
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>Sincerely,
>Don
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