RE: SUO: SUO Website
Dear Stefano,
Yes, they are available at:
http://suo.ieee.org/newindex.html
I should say that following discussions with Jim there are
already some changes I would make, in particular I would
want to add something about the approach we have agreed
to the home page.
1.At present there is no mention anywhere
of the Lattice of Theories, which since only my procedures
motion has received more votes in favour, seems out of
balance. I think we need to focus on that.
2. I have used the term "work programme" which seems to
cause umbrage. Other terms would be fine with me, like
subproject.
Discussion on the website content is supposed to go on on
the suo-policies list. The proposed web site tells you
how to subscribe to this (the old one doesn't I'm afraid).
I have made a post proposing the changes I have made, so
they can be approved. however, I notice that my post has
not made the archive, so I have reposted it, and provide
a copy here. I believe that approving these proposals would
be sufficient to release the proposed web site, though I am
sure there will be a number of defects that need attending
to.
Subject: Proposed Revisions to Website
Dear Colleagues,
I recently posted what I considered to be relatively mild
changes to the SUO website only to find that they were
apparantly controversial.
The first relates to SUMO. My understanding from the archives
was that SUMO failed its last independent ballot, and had
its status as a "starter" document from its involvement in
the "Lattice of Theories" motion, as indeed did OpenCYC.
Jim's memory is otherwise, and he certainly declared the
motion as passed.
There are a number of issues that come result from this.
1. We need to make a clear statement of how votes are
counted. It matters much less that they are voted one way
or another, than that you know which way. As I understand
it, this is not something we can choose, only understand.
2. I think we need to get past some of the history around
starter documents. To do this we need to focus around what
there is clear consensus on, which is the Lattice of Theories
proposal. This has been deliberately inclusive, and all
the important contributions we have are either part of it
or relate to it. In particular I think we need to loose the
term "starter document" which is at best misleading, and at
worst has caused considerable contention. I would suggest
a term like "contribution" or "component" or "subporject"
as a way to refer to all the individual efforts that have
been referred to in a successful ballot.
3. I think we should have a page that records our resolutions,
i.e. motions that have passed their vote. Then we have a clear
record of what we have agreed to. It is supprisingly hard
to find previous motions in the archive, not least because
we have used inconsistent language in them (and why
wouldn't we?)
As separate issues I think we should:
1. provide clearer guidance on how to use MajorDomo - we get
regular pleas to the list asking how to unsubscribe.
2. Provide links to the relevant IEEE SA documents that
govern our actions, and our policy in interpreting them
(e.g. becoming a voting member etc.)
3. Provide an extension to the expert contributions concept
by providing a members area where members may publish their
own pages - rather than putting the material through the
exploders.
Your comments would be appreciated.
Matthew West
Principal Consultant
Shell Information Technology International Limited
Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
Tel: +44 20 7934 4490 Mobile: +44 7796 336538
Email: matthew.west@shell.com
Internet: http://www.shell.com
http://www.matthew-west.org.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefano Borgo [mailto:borgo@loa-cnr.it]
> Sent: 30 December 2003 13:23
> To: standard-upper-ontology@ieee.org
> Subject: Re: SUO: SUO Website
>
>
>
> Dear Matthew and Jim,
> yesterday I gave a quick look at the website (as reorganized by
> Matthew) and I liked it.
> I understand that changes in the official website have to be
> coordinated, which explains Jim's message. Nonetheless, the new pages
> should be accessible if we want people to make suggestions.
> Are they available somewhere?
> best
> Stefano
>
>
> >All,
> >
> > I have asked Matthew West to change the web site back to the
> >prior version and to coordinate any significant changes
> through the SUO
> >P&P subgroup.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:29:50 -0000 "West, Matthew R SITI-ITPSIE"
> ><matthew.west@shell.com> writes:
> >>
> >> Dear Colleagues,
> >>
> >> I have updated the SUO website at:
> > > http://suo.ieee.org/
> >>
> >> Please take a look.
> >>
> >> I have:
> >>
> >> - Reorganised some of the material,
> >> - Tried to improve navigation,
> >> - added:
> >> - More information on how the lists work
> >> - Something about how voting works and voting membership
> >> - A list of successful resolutions
> >> - Pages for each of the current work programmes
> >>
> >> Please let me know of any errors, ommissions, or suggested
> >> improvements.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matthew West
> >> Principal Consultant
> >> Shell Information Technology International Limited
> >> Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
> >>
> >> Tel: +44 20 7934 4490 Mobile: +44 7796 336538
> >> Email: matthew.west@shell.com
> >> Internet: http://www.shell.com
> >> http://www.matthew-west.org.uk
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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