SUO: Re: Topic :> Contradiction :> Example
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Topic :>
Contradiction :> Example 2. <JA, 10 Dec 2003, 08>
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JA = Jon Awbrey
MW = Matthew West
In: Topic :> Contradiction. http://suo.ieee.org/email/thrd7.html#11950
Re: Topic :> Contradiction 1. http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg11950.html
Another Piece of Text for Study:
MW: I do not see this as forcing some people
to sit on one side or the other. Only
as a way of being more effective with
one rule for all.
Matthew West is commenting on Jon Awbrey's remarks about various
and sundry proposed strategies for the Division of the Group's
Labor and the Partitioning of its Working Space, as summed up
at this juncture:
SUOP 25. http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg11881.html
Reiterated here:
In: SUOP @@. http://suo.ieee.org/email/thrd10.html#11584
Hx: SUOP 22. http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg11868.html
Hx: SUOP 23. http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg11873.html
Hx: SUOP 24. http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg11877.html
MW: I also support the idea of having web pages (actually folders)
under the editorial control of any SUO member who asked for
the facility. These can be easily linked to from e-mails,
and facilitate the development of ideas, rather than
clogging the e-mail lists.
MW: However, for this to be successful Jon must buy in
to the concept, so I would be interested in how he
saw himself using this if it were available.
JA: I get up every morning and try to figure what sort of productive work
I can do toward the goals of this project. I have the knowledge and
skills that I have, not some other set of resources. I work with the
tools that I find on the lot. If other materials and operators become
available, I will explore them to the extent that it makes sense to me
to do so, and I will make use of them to the extent that I deem them
to help with the problems that I see.
JA: There is no lack of work that needs to be done.
John's allusions to the OED are probably right on.
Even if we personally have another ten years to work
on this, I don't believe that we can rationally expect
to do much more than construct the blanks for others to
fill in later. None of this is going to happen unless we
attract a whole lot more public-spirited expertise to the
construction site, which is not going to happen if there
keeps being all this "shut-the-hell-upping" about the
noise that always goes along with construction work.
The only question worth asking about an individual
work effort is whether it contributes to the goals.
If it does, then the noise of doing that work is an
inconvenient side-effect of needed work. One either
tolerates it or finds some other technical means to
reduce the side-effect without losing the benefits
of the main effect. If IEEE|SUO has an interest
in supporting this work, they would be glad to
find ways to remove these obstacles to it.
JA: Partitioning the space that we work in and adjoining
extra facilities and resources are potential benefits,
so long as they serve the purposes of organization and
communication and do not act to stifle and obstruct them.
But forcing folks to inhabit one side of a partition, and
restricting them to use their so-called "separate but equal"
facilities -- that is a ghetto by any other word. Perhaps you
think I over-dramatize. But I have off-list correspondents who
are literally "afraid" and "fearful" in their own words to enter
into the discussions on the main SUO list because of the chilling
effect of leadership's double-bind ultimata and the intolerance of
authoritarian bullies for the opinions of anyone who has a slightly
variant way of seeing or doing things. This is how things really are.
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