SUO: Re: Standard Upper Ontology Procedures -- Post Script
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Jim, John, Matthew, All,
The Gmane archive itself is only partly visible to web search engines,
I think only the headers of messages. This would be another reason to
keep the present Archive in place. In effect, the whole Gmane server
is treated like any other subscriber to the Main SUO List. We'll need
to make a decision about its e-lectoral status, but later.
Jon Awbrey
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Jon Awbrey wrote:
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> SUOP. Note 23
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> In: SUOP Outline. http://suo.ieee.org/email/thrd5.html#11584
> Re: SUOP 22. http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg11868.html
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> JS = John Sowa
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> JS: I missed the March 20th posting because I was out of town then,
> and it was hard for me to keep track of all the mail. I don't
> have any experience with Gmane or how it operates, but I would
> be willing to give it a try.
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> I gather that this is an older technology, very stable, and that
> there are a large number of these services around -- this is just
> the one that I am most familiar with, which is not all that much.
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> The home page hub for all information is here:
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> http://gmane.org/
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> The use of the newsreader (in my old Netscape) involves
> clicking on the little <dialogue balloons> icon, going
> to the News.Gmane.Org folder in my newsreader, and then
> to a folder for one of the discussion groups that I've
> subscribed to -- it was so long ago I forget how, but
> I am sure it's in the browser help file or the Gmane
> home page somewhere. When you click on a discussion
> group folder you download only the headers of the
> articles (= messages), and only when you click on
> an article subject line, whose title grabs you,
> do you download the article itself for reading.
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> There is also a web interface that is usually well organized,
> but when I clicked on it just now it looks like they may be
> running a loom experiment, or maybe in maintenance mode.
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> http://news.gmane.org/
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> JS: However, I would still have some questions:
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> JS: 1. Could their software be installed on the IEEE site so
> that we would not have to rely on an outside service.
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> The skinny is pretty skimpy on this, but such as it is, is here:
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> http://gmane.org/dist.php
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> JS: 2. Or if we did use their service, would it be possible to
> have the archive stored on the IEEE site automatically.
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> The information on importing archives is here:
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> http://gmane.org/import.php
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> However, there is no reason not to keep the Archive we have,
> as many if not most of the other discussion groups that use
> the newsgroup service also keep their own email archives.
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> JS: 3. I have not yet examined all their documentation in detail,
> but if you have, could you please tell us how you would
> address the issue of setting up the headers and organizing
> the discussion of procedures? Would you still go through
> all the submission of emails for each header? Or would
> there be some other, less obtrusive method?
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> It seems that a least action path would be this:
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> a. The SUO list admin subscribes the SUO list
> to Gmane by filling out this form:
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> http://gmane.org/subscribe.php
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> b. The list admin may import our present archives
> to Gmane by following the instructions here:
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> http://gmane.org/import.php
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> c. Everybody who is okay with the status quo, volume wise,
> does business as usual, but members who opt to reserve
> their inboxes for urgent communiques from the nigerian
> ambassador may (1) unsubscribe from the main suo list,
> staying on the suo status list, or (2) direct all main
> list mail to a neighborhood gravitational singularity,
> then grok responsibly the heady brew in the newsroom.
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> We used to have it so that non-subscribers could post to the list,
> but had to end that due to real spam attacks, but I know that IEEE
> and most folks now all have much better front-end spam filters than
> any of us had then, so maybe we could try that again with the proper
> precautions, and see if it'd work for non-subscribers to use only the
> newsreader/letter-to-the-editor facility. Plus Gmane has spam blocks:
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> http://gmane.org/filter.php
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> That would be one, possibly temporizing, solution.
> >From all that I'm hearing on all sides, we're all
> gonna have much better drums any day now.
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> Incidentally, the Gmane crew is working up a couple of better ideas:
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> http://reticule.gmane.org/
> http://weaver.gmane.org/
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> All I know about them is what I read at these pages.
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> JS: 4. Finally, I saw that they only allowed text on their emails.
> I occasionally have included diagrams in my emails. Would
> they be prohibited? (Actually, this isn't much of a problem
> for me, since I could just as well send a URL that pointed
> to the diagram on my web site, but it might be a problem
> for those people who did not have a web site.)
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> I don't know. Probably the short path for most other questions
> is to run through the FAQ, or write Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen at
> the address given there.
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> Just a few ideas. Most likely others know more.
> Issues about intellectual property I don't know.
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> Jon Awbrey
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