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SUO: Re: SUOP Topic :> Definition Of Example




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SUOPT :> Example.  Note 6

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SUOPT Outline.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/thrd1.html#11635

TJ = Tom Johnston

Given the stimulus:

SUOPT :> Example 05.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg11671.html

TJ e-mits response:

TJ: Think of this:  Why are dictionaries periodically revised?
    More specifically, why are existing words given revised
    definitions?

TJ: The answer is that, over time (and speaker), the patterns of usage
    for such dictionary entries (words) begin to deviate from the patterns
    prescribed by the dictionary definition. When the deviation is substantial
    enough -- the deviation between the dictionary definition and the usage of
    those educated speakers whose usage is considered paradigmatic for the words
    in question -- we can say that the dictionary is wrong.  Eventually, when it
    gets wrong enough for enough words, it becomes worthwhile to formalize the
    new patterns of usage by revising the definitions and issuing a new edition
    of the dictionary.

TJ: We think of dictionaries as prescriptive,
    as telling us what THE MEANING of a word is.

Who's "we"?  Speak for yourself.  Include me out.  ~" (non-ditto).  Etc.

TJ: And dictionaries are indeed prescriptive, for a given speaker,
    for just those words he is unfamiliar with.  But dictionaries
    have their prescriptive force because they are, reciprocally,
    descriptive -- descriptive of the patterns of usage of those
    speakers generally accepted as knowledgeable in the relevant
    area, and whose usage is beyond reproach, even by the OED.

TJ: The correct answer to those who continually ask "What do you mean by 'X'?"
    is not an appeal to the OED.  The correct answer is to request evidence that
    the usage of "X" by members of our linguistic community (the SUO group, for
    example) is different enough, from speaker to speaker, that we are in danger
    of misunderstanding one another.  "Different enough", of course, is relative
    to the shared purpose which unites us in a community project.

TJ: For many of the terms that Jon has requested a clarification of,
    I think the burden of proof is on him.  "Example", for example.
    If you write a document in which various examples are included,
    and on reading it I am inclined to say "Those aren't really
    examples", then we've come to a relevant difference in what
    you and I mean by "example".  At that point, we need to
    decide if the difference is "enough" to matter.  If not,
    we just proceed.  If it is, we clarify what we mean by
    "example" enough to resolve the difference at issue,
    and then proceed.

TJ: We do NOT provide a complete and completely unambiguous definition
    for all the terms of art that we will be using, all before we get
    started.  The notion that we ever could do something like that,
    it seems to me, went out with logical atomism.

TJ: But perhaps I misunderstand Jon's request for definitions.

Tom,

The answer to that perhappenstance is "yes".

I'll try it again tomorrow when my eyes are less blurry,
but in the meantime read my Gung Ho homily of invitation
to my intent -- my informal intent -- and my "Method" of
choice for this discussion of a focally Procedural nature,
for all the periphery of Ontological issues that it raises:

SUOPT :> Definition 02.  http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg11652.html

What you are saying here is verisimilar to a discussion that we had
already about Quine's 2-Dogma, and even though I already believed
a part of his conclusion -- a more thorough pragmatism, indeed --
this is the very point where he so slips a cog in his argument
that I wouldn't credit the account if only on Quine's marker,
if lacking that of his scarcely credited co-signatory, CSP.

The short schrift is that we are in a Procedual context, and so
the fuss at large that one goes through to argue the aptness of
"crass operational utilitarian definitions", as it's oftenwrong
put, can be set aside for the crass motive of getting some work
done with one's words.  How to do that, exactly, or roughly, or
readily, is what we're about at the moment.

Geronimo!!!

Jon Awbrey

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