Re: SUO: Re: SUO Postings
Murray,
I see that we independently arrived at the
conclusion that SUO was the place most
favorable to a fair and lively
discussions of the issues
you mentioned.
> [Murray Altheim:]. . . I think that
> a public airing of issues surrounding LBase, OWL, RDF, etc. would
> be of great value in seeing how these things relate to both SUO and
> in SUO's handling of the same issues.
One comment also on Jon Awbrey's approach to
posting. While on another list I once
commented that Jon's volume of email
postings might be considered
excessive, I have since come
to your conclusion, that
there are good reasons
for his approach, and
now only have to deal
with the issue of
cross-postings. :-P
[My handling of line lengths in what's
above may be seen as homage to yet
another idiosyncrasy of Jon's.]
Since this is my first post to the list,
but as I am swamped with work at the
moment, I will only note that I am
on the faculty of the City University
of New Work teaching critical and
creative thinking along Peircean
principles.
I am also very much interested in
the evolution of the idea and
practice of collaboratories
and the possibility of the
growth of a "Pragmatic Web".
http://infolab.uvt.nl/people/ademoor/papers/iccs02.pdf
And, despite Jon's recently posted reservation ("words are not sticks
and stones"), I very much agree with your comment:
>[MA] So, the question for me seems always to boil down to where on the
> chin the hook is placed, and that hook seems to be "context" or
> "interpretation", "situation", or whatever we want to call the
> thing that gets us from abstract to concrete, from the rubber
> to the real road. I don't want to see SCL used as a rubber
> to keep us from having contact with the road.
>
Gary
Murray Altheim wrote:
>
>> jim.s3@juno.com wrote:
>>
>>> Jon,
>>>
>>> I asked Mike to not send mail directly to you regarding this matter.
>>> I also asked him to spell out his claim if he thinks your postings are
>>> not relavent to the work of this group. But I'd like you to
>>> consider the
>>> issue of quantity. How many postings, even if totally relevent, do
>>> you feel
>>> is appropriate for a member of a professional group? Couldn't you
>>> save them up
>>> and post them in bundles?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>
> Jim,
>
> To be fair to Jon, I have been lurking here for a few hours, having
> just joined the list today. Jon and I have been discussing things
> both publicly and privately for the past year or so, and during a
> conversation I've been having with he, Jack Park, and Gary Richmond,
> I asked him if he'd be kind enough to provide a review of LBase and
> SCL. Jon suggested several venues, and I chose here. I think that
> a public airing of issues surrounding LBase, OWL, RDF, etc. would
> be of great value in seeing how these things relate to both SUO and
> in SUO's handling of the same issues. I haven't perused the list
> archives in detail to see how much this has been discussed -- my
> apologies if it has. Basically, we were interested in having this
> conversation and thought that bringing it from private to public
> would be of benefit, both to us and others.
>
> As to the approach that John takes to email, I'm sure even he would
> admit that it's different than other people. I've learned to deal
> with that difference and come to appreciate that there are good
> reasons for it. My work with Doug Englebart's group led to the
> development of some tools that attempt to do via computer what
> Jon does manually: break up larger documents into smaller chunks
> so that they can be addressed and discussed more reasonably. YMMV.
>
> Given that this is my first public announcement on this list, and
> given that it's 5:45am here and I really must go to bed, let me
> just say that for those who are unfamiliar with me, my background
> is in SGML and XML markup (author of the modular XHTML DTDs), I
> was heavily involved in the XML Topic Map work, and I'm currently
> pursuing a Ph.D. at KMi, working on the use of informal ontologies
> in assisting writers organize research materials and design
> narratives.
>
> I look forward to contributing to the SUO group, and especially
> of soon finding my pillow.
>
> Murray
>
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> Murray Altheim http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/murray/
> Knowledge Media Institute
> The Open University, Milton Keynes, Bucks, MK7 6AA, UK .
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