Re: SUO: Voting Rules
Skydog,
The Board of Governors ruling applied only to the prior vote. If
they wanted it to apply to future votes across the hundreds of IEEE
working groups, they could have announced it, which they did not. This
was obviously a hasty ruling that was taken no further, so I don't see
why our group should be the only one to follow it. I'd certainly follow
it if they implemented it across IEEE.
I never did appeal their ruling. I was advised to allow other
interested parties to take such action, which none did. I did follow
their direction, which was to invalidate the vote.
Jim Schoening
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:01:46 -0700 Robert Grayson Spillers
<skydog@pacbell.net> writes:
>
> Jim,
> Your interpretation is incorrect.
>
> The ruling (actually a motion unanimously approved by the IEEE SA
> Board
> of Governors) stated clearly the procedure for counting votes. This
>
> Working Group and specifically you as chair were directed to use
> this
> method - a motion must get a majority of all votes cast including
> abstains.
>
> Since this has been dissected in excruciating detail in previous
> exchanges I will only state that the Board of Governors has
> unanimously
> and formally decided this issue. You as chair of the Working Group
> are
> bound by their decision.
>
> Bob
>
> jim.s3@juno.com wrote:
>
> >SUO Members,
> >
> > Since we have a couple votes coming up, I should clarify my
> >interpretation of the rules on how ballots are tallied.
> >
> > After the SUMO vote of Aug 2001, a ruling came down from the IEEE
> >Standards Association Board of Governors that overturned that vote.
> That
> >ruling stated that a majority of all ballots (including ABSTAINS)
> must
> >vote YES for a motion to pass. For example, 3 YES, 2 NO, and 2
> ABSTAIN
> >would not pass, because out of 7 total votes, 4 must be YES for it
> to
> >pass. This directive applied only to the SUMO vote. There was
> talk and
> >perhaps intention to change IEEE voting rules, but no such
> announcements
> >or changes in policies & procedures came down. To my knowledge,
> none of
> >the other ~400 IEEE standards groups are following that ruling.
> It
> >remains common practice by IEEE groups to follow the Roberts Rules
> of
> >Order rule that ABSTAINS are not counted in the ballot tally (i.e.
> 3 YES,
> >2 NO, 2 ABSTAIN would pass). Based on this, I believe the proper
> rules
> >to follow are that of Roberts Rules of Order.
> >
> >Jim Schoening
> >Chair, SUO WG
> >
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