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Re: SUO: Voting Rules

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Frank,
If you doubt the authenticity of the email directing Jim how to count votes, why don't you contact the sender of the email and verify whether or not he actually sent it.  The direction to Jim was specific and dramatic telling him he would be removed as chair if he did not comply.  

If you doubt the motion was formally (and unanimously) adopted by the Board of Governors ask them.

Jim stated he intended to appeal.  Since almost a year has passed, I assume any appeal Jim (or you) made was denied.

There were also other directives regarding the interpretation of Roberts Rules which were included in the Board of Governors motion that bind the WG.  The document that overrides all the others is not Robert's Rules but New York State law regulating non-profit organizations (the IEEE is incorporated in New York State).  The IEEE's own lawyers were the source of the Board of Governors interpretation of New York State law.

Bob

Frank Farance wrote:
At 17:01 2003-04-23 -0700, Robert Grayson Spillers wrote:
  
Jim,
Your interpretation is incorrect.

The ruling (actually a motion unanimously approved by the IEEE SA Board 
of Governors) stated clearly the procedure for counting votes.  This 
 Working Group and specifically you as chair were directed to use this 
method - a motion must get a majority of all votes cast including 
abstains.  

Since this has been dissected in excruciating detail in previous 
exchanges I will only state that the Board of Governors has unanimously 
and formally decided this issue.  You as chair of the Working Group are 
bound by their decision.

Bob   
    

Bob-

I believe the prior so-called ruling was not authentic.  The public was excluded from the discussion and there were no public records of the meeting.  Furthermore, an interpretation of this kind would have been communicated to the WG chairs because it would have affected everyone's WG.  Since there was no record and no publication to the WG chairs, I doubt the authenticity of those E-mails.

Since the IEEE-SA Standards Board has updated its Bylaws and Operations Manual since the so-called ruling, one would have assumed there would have been some clarification in the revised IEEE documents, but in fact there is no such change.

The there are new procedures, I believe the prior ruling (if authentic) only applied to the old documents.  Thus, the chair is not bound by the prior ruling (if authentic) because there are new rules.

-FF
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