Re: SUO: Revised motion on OpenCyc, SUMO, IFF, CL, et al.

[John Velman <velman@cox.net>]

John,

Thanks for reminding me about Open Office.  I have used it when
necessary to deal with MSWord documents, but seldom use it otherwise
because it takes 30 to 45 seconds to load on my poor old 400mhz Pentium II
machine.

However, when the CL abstract syntax document is displayed (or printed, or
PDF'd) from OpenOffice, all the special symbols that are sourced as
entities (e.g., ∪_) show up as question marks.

The web browsers I use generally do pretty well with the special screen,
but don't translate the special characters properly to print, either.

Amaya (the W3C browser) does pretty well.  Unfortunately, it doesn't space
them properly, so that the math symbols overprint the surrounding text.

One of these days this will all work, but do you have any suggestions as to
how I can get a readable printed copy _now?  Perhaps there is some way to
get Open Office to access these symbols, but I haven't had a chance to look
into it yet.

Best,

John Velman


On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 09:46:38AM -0400, John F. Sowa wrote:
> John,
> 
> Thanks for the support.  Following are some comments:
> 
> JVL> Procedurally, is this going to be an amendment to
> > the previous OpenCyc motion, or an independent motion?
> > If I recall correctly there is another motion, that
> > has been seconded, for SUMO, on the table.
> 
> John D. said that he would be willing to withdraw his
> motion in favor of the revised one.  I am hoping that
> Adam Pease would do the same, and we could all work
> together on a unified goal for the SUO.
> 
> JV> I don't see this as conflicting with the other
> > two motions.  But, neither of the others is necessary
> > if this is accepted.
> 
> Yes, that is the point.
> 
> > I still like this one in it's present form.  I hope
> > appropriate people will fill in the blanks, and John and
> > John will make this a formal motion.  I would second it
> > in a minute.
> 
> I believe that we should have some discussion to "fill in
> the blanks", but that discussion would be just a summary
> of issues that have been discussed for the past two years
> on SUO list.  And the shortest way to putit is:  "Let's
> get on with the SUO charter to have a unified project."
> 
> > Regarding CL, I would like to see a version of the
> > abstract syntax in a pdf or ps format that is easily
> > printable.  If it is on the website in this form,
> > I missed it.
> 
> All the current CL documentation is either on the web site
> maintained by Chris Menzel or on other sites (such as
> mine) with pointers from Chris's site:
> 
>    http://philebus.tamu.edu/cl/ 
> 
> We have adopted the policy of the W3C to use HTML
> as the primary medium for all documentation.
> However, the beta version (1.1) of OpenOffice now
> supports PDF for both input and output.  I hope
> that we will be able to convert any or all of the
> documentation by a simple method of importing the
> HTML into OpenOffice (do some minor editing, if
> necessary) and exporting it as PDF.
> 
> And by the way, the documentation will require
> an up-to-date browser, such as Netscape 7.x or 1.x,
> which supports all the W3C standards.  Obsolete
> browsers, wuch as Inernet Explorer 5.x and 6.x or
> Netscape 4.x, do not display the mathemantical
> and logical symbols correctly.
> 
> For security purposes, Netscape and Mozilla are much more
> secure and reliable than IE, which requires a security
> patch every other week.  If anybody is still using IE,
> you should download Netscape 7.x or Mozilla 1.x ASAP.
> 
> John Sowa
> 
> 
> 
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