SUO: Re: CG: Architectures for Intelligent Systems
Hi Rich,
Quoting from your message: http://mars.virtual-earth.de/pipermail/cg/2002q2/004307.html
> To get people to agree on a nontrivial ontology is immensely
> difficult, a fleeting accomplishment, and unlikely to bear
> practical fruit except in dead areas such as classical physics
> and premodern mathematics.
This does not seem to be the expectations of many people from the
SUO list and also the Semantic Web. They do "crave" for shared
ontologies that would allow them to interoperate between distributed
knowledge bases.
I agree that it is "immensely difficult" the way they see it,
and more likely just impossible.
But there may be other ways and this is what the (broken to bits)
thread named "Architectures for Intelligent Systems" is all about
both in the CG list and also on SUO http://suo.ieee.org/email/thrd1.html
All this happened quite incidentally, see below.
> This leads me to believe that only a highly subjective ontology,
> i.e. a C3PO with a dynamically changing ontology base, is likely
> to make landfall.
Exactly, "a dynamically changing ontology"!
> Organizations that develop "standard" ontologies
> can serve to help us educate ourselves about the complexities of
> human agreement, and also help us define the initial t=0 ontologies
> for application-dependent C3PO projects. Beyond that, I hold
> little hope for standards bodies.
Neither do I, nor a few people on the SUO list,
that may not always be able to claim this openly.
I "raised hell" on the SUO list and have been challenged
to provide some "positive" contribution:
from: http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg08125.html
> If so, I again extend my invitation to you and all like you stop
> talking and fire up a research project of your own and build something.
> Then let the rest of us infidels run the code on some real world problems.
> We'll let you know if it works.
from: http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg08130.html
> You use a lot of nice sounding words like those above but never say what YOU
> mean by them. So, if you don't want to write code, then stick out your neck
> and write some text. Let us in on our grand plan. Then we'll see what
> everyone thinks.
The (harsh...) arguments + ongoing design of a "possible" solution
are summed up as table of links under the heading "A fierce controversy"
in the english version of my home page:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/jld/english.html
Cheers.
-- Jean-Luc Delatre
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