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It could be that there is no substantial disagreement between Chris and Frank. What I gather from this exchange is that: 1. BNF is critically important to the exercise, or at least the ability to have a BNF or something similar. (emphasized by Chris, not denied by Frank) 2. The BNF portion of the overall exercise is only a small part of the total amount of work to be done. (emphasized by Frank, not denied by Chris). Mike ----