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RE: Properties, classes, and possible worlds - promiscuity



Title: RE: Properties, classes, and possible worlds - promiscuity

Bill,

 

I think we may be talking at cross-purposes.

 

I think you may be asking the question whether it makes sense to have a single ontology, which is used as a ‘lingua franca’ for the integration of systems (I had taken this as an assumption/premise as I thought/think this is the basis upon which the SUO is being proposed – maybe I am wrong?) – and suggesting this will not work. That what is needed is a translation mechanism between ontologies.

 

If you are right, then integration has to work on a point-to-point basis. When a new ontology is introduced it has to be translated into each of the other ontologies (or, if you are lucky, into one of the ontologies that is more expressive than it and piggy-back on its translations).

 

What I am unsure about is whether, as there is a translation, one cannot have a nominated ontology as a ‘lingua franca’ and if not, why not?

 

My point was different. It was that once it has been decided to develop an integrating ontology (I presume the one that you claim “breaks” easily), it makes practical sense not to develop a promiscuous ontology – but to regiment it. I was not meaning to imply – as you might have interpreted what I said – that every system should use the integrating ontology. There will be cases where a system has its own ontology and for integration translates this into the integrating ontology. The point of the integrating ontology is to keep the number of translations needed to a minimum – one for each new ontology/system – and as simple as possible. As an analogy - at the technology level this is the strategy of most middleware systems.

 

Regards

Chris

 

 

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Subject: RE: Properties, classes, and possible worlds - promiscuity

 

Chris P:

> However when one tries to build or integrate (EAI) business operational
> systems different factors come into play, especially when the system become
> large and complex. Experience seems to show that, in this case, the
> promiscuity is a problem and it makes practical and commercial sense to take
> a revisionary approach and try and regiment it. So, for example, people
> building business systems typically tend to take what the experts say as
> input rather than gospel.

Perhaps I misunderstand your point, but I have a different view, which is at odds with your regimentation.  My own experience seems to show that regimentation is impractical and ineffective as a means of integration.  If my "regimented" ontology you mean a "standard" ontology used by the integrated application as the integration mechanism, then I would argue that these ontologies "break" very easily and quick because unlike human languages they can't adapt to changing conditions and requirements.  Personally, I see the promisciuty of ontologies as a *good* thing that should be encouraged - which of course pushes the integration solution in another direction: that of mapping between ontologies.

 

Bill

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